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patson

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 10:56:17 am »
Bummer!  :'(

Do u think it happens less often though? I went through all my routes and it seems like it only happened once for the last few hours

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 12:28:54 pm »
For  me it's better  :) Thanks !

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 02:34:25 pm »
I have a fleet of a couple dozen and it hasn't happened in the recent history for any of them. There's moderate variability in demand but that's it.

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 03:15:43 pm »
It's good to know that it's happening less often now  :D

I feel like the very occasional drop is due to the fix not addressing all the edge cases. I might take a stab at it again tonight (so concurrency stuff...)

Or there might be multiple bugs that trigger the passenger drop and i fixed the more common one  :-\

Anyway, will keep you guys posted!

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2018, 07:39:32 pm »
I'm seeing it as well now. I had 3 routes that were constantly sold out making around 30k in profit and then BOOM! they are now losing 12-20k every week. It's causing major headaches and i'm struggling to get started.
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patson

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2018, 09:46:10 pm »
@rampantfox can i get a screenshot please? which airline is yours?

It's weird as it's happening way less frequent for me now

if your flight is losing 12-20k every week consistently, it's very likely from competition? Even if there's no direct competition, it might as well be competition in other forms

Anyway, can i get a screenshot please? and your airline name would help :)

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2018, 06:25:53 pm »
I don't believe I've seen any completely empty flights that can't be explained by me screwing something up, but I have seen some flights that normally get 100% load that have a week where they get maybe 40-60% load and then go back to normal.

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patson

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2018, 12:55:16 am »
Ya i think that's normal, especially for lower volume flights fluctuation is going to be more pronounced :)
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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2018, 08:20:11 am »
I've seen this on a few of my flights as well. Not as pronounced as I still have a very small commuter fleet. I get impatient and spend money on planes as soon as I get it lol. I haven't noticed any MAJOR fluctuations since I ditched my ER4s. I also don't think that i realized that monthly profit graph only shows what you've earned SO FAR for the month and not what your projected profit is going to be. So that may have been some confusion on my part. So far i'm having a much more enjoyable time after i went BK and started the airline up again. Can't wait to build the profit and start getting into the larger frames!
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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2018, 02:17:05 pm »
Got the same issue now on my previously best paying route, which has a demand for 2800 passengers and no competition.


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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2018, 11:57:03 pm »
Got the same issue now on my previously best paying route, which has a demand for 2800 passengers and no competition.

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hmmm what route is that (please tell me the airport code)? any changes to quality or ticket price?

It looks a bit different from the previous bug that it usually jump back to 100% afterwards, yours seem like a pretty consistent decline

Take note that direct competition is only one thing. There are many other factors, for example (and not limited to)

1. Direct demand can be fulfilled by other routes that is not shown as direct competitor. For example if u have a route from new york to los angeles other airlines can steal ur passenger by offering a route from new york to las vegas and from las vegas to LA. It wouldn't be shown as direct competitor but it can still compete with yours. Direct flight is more attractive to passengers but if the price is low enough, passengers will be taking connection flight

2. Your existing route might be benefiting by other connection flights before (maybe even offered by other airlines). Take the same new york to LA example, if there's another major airline that used to fly from London to new york, then it would have boosted your JFK <-> LAX route too, as passenger were traveling from London to new york and then from new york to LA. Now if that airline raises price/reduce frequency/cease the service, the demand for your route will drop as well

Above are just 2 simple examples, there are probably other scenarios as well. Study the passenger map to see the flow of passengers.

You can also gimme the route airports and i can check the reason
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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2018, 03:03:44 am »
It's IST to ESB. I am not sure if I did lower the price yesterday, but today its back up to 100% load.

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2018, 11:34:48 am »
It's IST to ESB. I am not sure if I did lower the price yesterday, but today its back up to 100% load.

Price seems to be unchanged during that period as ridership and revenue seems to be the same ratio the entire time.

I think it's probably some indirect factor :)

And also keep in mind that flight with lower volume usually see more fluctuation, especially if the price is at the upper boundary

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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2018, 07:31:54 am »
Seems to have stopped happening (at least for me)  :)
Thank's a heap!

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Re: Passengers suddenly disapear
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2018, 12:43:46 pm »
hit with the bug on 3 routes today