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zuoyi

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What airplanes do you use?
« on: September 24, 2018, 12:32:52 pm »
I've been playing it for a week, and it's awesome!

Just curious what airplanes you guys use?

For short-haul route (<800km), I use Embraer ERJ140, which is cheap but only seats 44 so takes a lot of slots.

For mid-range flight (800-3000km), I use Airbus A318 a lot. It makes money!

For long-haul flight, I use Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, and it's very economic.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2018, 03:55:47 pm »
Sukhoi's, Caravans, and 737'a primarily for the time being, I just replaced my whole fleet though and intend to upgrade it in the coming few days
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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2018, 04:15:02 pm »
Great. I made the choice solely on fuel efficiency. I also made a table of all aircrafts in the ascending order of the cost, which is calculated as fuel burn per km per pax. Somehow I just can't upload it. It says the upload folder is full. Weird.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2018, 04:30:24 pm »
I love russian planes because they are cheap to buy.
Sure, they have a shorter lifespan and lower efficiency, but I can buy a dozen for the same price I would pay on a Airbus/Boeing with ~same capacity.

A good way to see which planes are used more by others is the used market.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 05:01:40 pm »
The lifetime fuel consumption of a plane is many, many times the purchase price of the plane. For example, on a comparatively short intercontinental route, for the most expensive plane in the game - an A380 running Seoul to Heathrow costs a little over 3x its purchase price in lifetime fuel consumption.

My fleet is:

  • A handful of CRJ200s
  • A modest number of 737-700Cs
  • A lot of A318s
  • A moderate number of 737 MAX 9s
  • A lot of 767-300ERs
  • A modest number of A350s
  • A lot of 747-400s
  • A lot of A380s

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2018, 05:13:46 pm »
Below is the cost table I made. Cost = Fuel burn/max range/capacity

Name                           Cost
Airbus A340-500           27.639216
Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner   33.037222
Airbus A350-900           33.333333
Airbus A380-800           38.216561
Airbus A318                   38.461538
Boeing 767-300ER           40.566123
Airbus A330-300           41.59292
Cessna Caravan                   41.666667
Boeing 747-400                   42.391789
Ilyushin Il-96-300           43.478261
Boeing 777-300                   49.455984
Bombardier CRJ200           50.793651
Boeing 737-700C           54.249548
Bombardier CS100           57.363405
Bombardier CS100            57.363405
Airbus A320neo            61.538462
Boeing 737 MAX 9         63.926941
Ilyushin 96-400                   63.990826
Cessna 421                  64.308682
Boeing 737-800                  69.884346
Sukhoi Superjet 100          89.396955
Bombardier CRJ700          98.522167
Tupolev Tu-204                  104.65116
Embraer ERJ140          107.99136
Embraer EMB120 Brasilia  108.57143
Antonov An148                 108.57143
ATR 42-600                 113.12217
ATR 42-600                 113.12217
Embraer EMB170-200         136.36364
Comac ARJ21                 159.09091
Bombardier Q400         171.56863
ATR 72-600                 182.91046

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 05:14:21 pm »
I love russian planes because they are cheap to buy.
Sure, they have a shorter lifespan and lower efficiency, but I can buy a dozen for the same price I would pay on a Airbus/Boeing with ~same capacity.

A good way to see which planes are used more by others is the used market.

Definitely will check out the used market, thanks

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 05:15:24 pm »
The lifetime fuel consumption of a plane is many, many times the purchase price of the plane. For example, on a comparatively short intercontinental route, for the most expensive plane in the game - an A380 running Seoul to Heathrow costs a little over 3x its purchase price in lifetime fuel consumption.

My fleet is:

  • A handful of CRJ200s
  • A modest number of 737-700Cs
  • A lot of A318s
  • A moderate number of 737 MAX 9s
  • A lot of 767-300ERs
  • A modest number of A350s
  • A lot of 747-400s
  • A lot of A380s


Yeah, it makes sense. I buy the planes as per the cost table above.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 05:32:41 pm »
You should not be dividing by max range, just passenger capacity. The fuel burn is per unit time, not over a max range flight.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2018, 05:34:14 pm »
Also curious to know what planes you use for short route (<500km) but moderate demand (500-600 weekly). I used to use CRJ200, but it takes too many slots. A318 isn't profitable on this kind of route.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 05:44:47 pm »
You should not be dividing by max range, just passenger capacity. The fuel burn is per unit time, not over a max range flight.

You are right. I just checked the fuel cost between ERJ400 and A318 on the similar route. It's just the capacity, no max range.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 06:05:16 pm »
Also curious to know what planes you use for short route (<500km) but moderate demand (500-600 weekly). I used to use CRJ200, but it takes too many slots. A318 isn't profitable on this kind of route.

I don't run those routes, is the answer.
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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2018, 09:47:13 pm »
I also use an excel table that I made using the equations from github.

In an example on why I use Russian planes=

Guarulhos - Dusseldorf, ~9500km, goal of ~3500 pax/week

2x A380    ->      ~1.8mi fuel cost, 0.5mi decreciation =         ~$2.3mi in 4 slots, 3412 pax     Initial investment of 900mi <- 674 per pax in fuel + depreciation
4x 96-400 ->      ~2.05mi fuel cost, 0.13mi decreciation =     ~$2.2mi in 8 slots, 3448 pax     Initial investment of 200mi  <- 638 per pax in fuel + depreciation
7x Dreamliner -> ~1.45mi fuel cost, 0.48mi decreciation =    ~$1.9mi in 14 slots, 3500 pax    Initial investment of 875mi  <- 542 per pax in fuel + depreciation
3x 747-400 ->     ~2.0mi fuel cost, 0.57mi decreciation =      ~$2.6mi in 6 slots, 3960 pax     Initial investment of 1050mi <- 656 per pax in fuel + depreciation
5x 767-300ER -> ~1.4mi fuel cost, 0.5mi decreciation =        ~$1.9mi in 10 slots, 3500 pax   Initial investment of 905mi <- 542 per pax in fuel + depreciation

This is NOT considering "airport fees" and "other costs" and total passenger capacity per route. Crew costs are linearly fixed and the same for all planes, so it's not relevant.
An extremely important aspect is route demand/offer, you won't be able to compete with other airlines using less efficient planes.
It's also important to consider max range and versatility (e.g, you can't use an A380 in a small airport that could maybe fit a Dreamliner)

Obviously, different routes will wield different results, longer routes will benefit more the A380 (e.g) because of speed, in the above example the A380 is 1h10min faster, and that saves fuel.

Russian planes aren't the most profitable, but I could have 4-5x more planes for the same initial investment. For bigger airlines like ALEX, investment cost isn't a huge problem so he can afford the optimal plane for an specific route, but I can't go expending 1bi in 767-300ER out of the gate, so cheaper russian planes offer a still very lucrative entry in intercontinental routes and heavy traffic.

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 09:50:07 pm »
I actually just set up a proper spreadsheet for comparing planes including adjusted depreciation, fuel, and slot fees, and found a few interesting things. I'd been discounting depreciation too much in selecting optimal planes, and have found a few routes where the 96-400 is optimal. I also was estimating the A350 a little too highly, and have replaced it with the 767 on one major route (CTS JFK).

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Re: What airplanes do you use?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2018, 05:42:19 am »
I use mainly Airbus A318, ATR42-600, and Cessna Caravan. They have low fuel consumption. I also use a few BombardierCRJ700 and Embraer EMB170-200.

I don't go above Airbus A318 as I don't want to exceed 3 fuel per passenger for roleplay reasons. In some time I might reach the limit of what Airbus A318 can handle, in which case I will probably upgrade my bases for more slots.