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Title: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on August 21, 2018, 10:32:01 am
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Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: depo on August 21, 2018, 10:57:50 am
Hi Alex,

SudAmericana here! Thanks for accepting me in  ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on August 21, 2018, 11:51:21 am
Starlight has actually been speculating about the possibility of allying with you since the feature was released. You have a great network that really complements ours.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on August 21, 2018, 12:08:47 pm
Starlight here.

I thought I'd write some general principles of organization for the alliance:

1. Connect to each others' hubs.

We want synergy from connecting routes within the alliance. That means if you're building routes from one of your hubs into a new region, see if there are alliance hubs in the area and head towards those. You're likely to get some spillover demand from the ally, and they from you.

For some examples where this is particularly relevant: the southern and southwestern US have many cities with high income and moderate population. It would take too many routes and bases to give them all directs everywhere. So we operate on a hub-and-spokes model with a focus on Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) and Hartsfield-Jackson (ATL). It would've been a valid choice to use different bases, like Phoenix, Charlotte, or Miami, but we happen not to be structured that way, and at this point we've invested dozens of routes and billions of dollars in our choices.

So if you're connecting from your home country to the southern US, you might find more demand for continuing passengers if you go through those airports first. For another example, there are plenty of good airports in southern Japan with direct demand, but the most likely place to get connecting passengers is Kansai International (KIX) because we have invested the most in that.

2. Don't direct-compete with each others' routes.

While you want to connect your hub to other allies' hubs, you should check to make sure it isn't already done. We don't ever need to spend more than one route on a particular route. It's a big world out there with lots of better opportunities for expansion. Piling too many people into the same route grinds down profit margin.

3. Expand in relatively-contiguous blocs.

It's easier for allies to work with you and build a strategy around you if your strategy is obvious. Don't build a new, far-flung base in a country you don't have a good shot at earning a reputation bonus in. Leave those to allies and just build flights out to them. Instead focus on your areas of advantage and build a cohesive network that's attractive for other allies to build links to.

4. Some countries have room for more than one of us.

While direct competition isn't fun, there are some countries valuable enough to have more than one ally in. Definitely discuss it here and coordinate, but don't shy entirely away from the large markets where even a 4th or 5th place trophy is valuable.

I'm writing this especially with respect to the US, which is just so huge and so fragmented that it's very difficult for me to cover it all, even though I have more North American volume than anyone in the game. Remember that if you HQ over one of my bases, you'll still be able to join the alliance.

But even a not-quite-as-big market--like Italy--can yield us benefits by having two alliance members earn reputation from it.

5. Expand to new territories.

There's a lot we haven't covered yet, and those areas are the ones where a new ally could probably do the most good. Here I'm especially thinking of Mexico, central/eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Russia, but also really any country that seems under-covered.

6. Talk it out here.

Talk through expansion plans here. Sometimes people have bases they're not particularly attached to and are willing to turn over the territory to someone else. Other times there's a place they really want to go to. Just let people know your plans and it'll keep our alliance organized. If it seems like an airline has been away for a long time, and someone really wants one of their bases, we'll try to address that. But it's early in the alliance feature and I don't see us having a problem with that any time soon.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on August 21, 2018, 12:10:36 pm
And SudAmericana: if you want Rome let me know. I think the two reasonable things to do in Italy are either (a) I hold 3rd and you hold 2nd, as we have it now, or (b) I leave Rome, you build a base there, and you push for 1st.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on August 21, 2018, 12:28:38 pm
TBH I think 1st Italy is easily within reach for SudAmerica without a fourth Italian base.

A minor addition to Starlight's point about the US: LAX is a fantastic choice of HQ if you are going that route. There are tons and tons of direct flights from it that Starlight doesn't cover, and there is a tremendous and constantly increasing amount of alliance passenger volume through there. I just added SYD LAX and will be beefing up that, HND (Tokyo) LAX, and TPE (Taipei) LAX substantially. Expect to get around 30k connecting passenger volume from my flights alone.

As for expansion plans: a quick glance at my Rival page or the alliance map should make my strategy obvious. I'm a simple regional airline (my region is Asia). I'm testing the waters in Australia and depending on how well that expansion goes will aim for 2nd or maybe 1st (marking the third prestige market I'll have taken from Air Canada :D). I'm thinking of a third Australia base in Melbourne, Canberra, or Brisbane (on top of Sydney and Perth).

I'm also about to set up a Hong Kong base since Starlight left it but I'm not married to that.

Outside of that I really don't have much in the way of expansion plans and am mostly just defending / optimizing my current territory and filling out international routes.

A word of warning: India is a trap. Don't go there. It's worth almost nothing by way of points and you'll never run a profit there unless your airline is completely dedicated to operating in very poor countries (low service funding, no planes larger than an A318, etc.).

edit: oh, and there's actually room in Japan for another airline. It may be a little tough to get to 2nd, but I think you could make a reasonable profit off of Osaka (ITM) and Tokyo (NRT). Fukuoka (FUK) is another possibility although Auburn is using it heavily.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on August 21, 2018, 02:19:50 pm
Uvita I just noticed we're competing on HND SHA. Let me know when you're ready to drop a few thousand more passengers on it and I'll cancel the route.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: losgatitospeligrosos on August 21, 2018, 06:22:03 pm
LGP runs Mexico. Advising your alliance to focus there only courts failure.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on August 22, 2018, 12:20:24 am
Or you could join us.

Don't you want that rep bonus and the extra flight capacity?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on August 22, 2018, 01:35:33 am
Don't you want that rep bonus and the extra flight capacity?

Yes! So we Unisky are going to topple u guys just like 2 days ago...watch out  ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Catweazle on August 22, 2018, 02:17:23 am
I can't believe, and am a mite annoyed, you got the "Triple A" alliance... and i couldn't even join...

 :o
signed on behalf of
AAA Air
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Vani56 on August 26, 2018, 05:13:11 am
Hi all!I just wanted to say thank you for accepting me! My airline is Galactic Republic, Based at JFK. I have been playing for 2 days now and its much fun :). I'll probably focus on New York for now, later on I want to open bases in Seattle and Miami/Fort Lauderdale( Cant decide between the two yet) :D I hope that's ok?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on August 26, 2018, 12:55:16 pm
Those are all A-OK. I know Starlight had some theories about good bases for a second US-based airline. JFK is a fantastic choice of hub and we have a ton of big, intercontinental routes to it - the connecting flights through there will help us as much as you.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Vani56 on August 27, 2018, 04:07:52 pm
By the way, is taking a loan a good decision? I took 15 mil at the beginning and now the allowance i up to 70 mil.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on August 27, 2018, 05:04:28 pm
Loans are very good. For almost the entire game you will want to borrow at the maximum duration, which is actually the lowest annualized interest rate (the rate quoted is total over the lifetime of the loan).
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 03, 2018, 12:15:56 am
Hi folks, if you are planning to get some traffic from China, please considering a connection to these hubs:

Urumuqi (URC) if starts from Europe/Mid-East/Africa  (this city is in north-west China)
Harbin (HRB) if starts from America/East Asia  (this city is in north-east China)
Changsha (CSX) in general.

Let's make more connection flights!

- TN
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 03, 2018, 12:29:41 am
Welcome!

I'm already running PVG CSX and PUS CSX, HND / ICN / PEK HRB, and XIY URC. I don't really have room to add routes unfortunately (I'm pretty much at route cap, and also soft-capped on slots at most bases.)

It looks like Rodina is already running a route to URC from Novosibirsk. I think Rodina, and to a degree BulAir from Narita, are the only other alliance members really positioned to run routes to those airports right now.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 07, 2018, 10:43:12 am
A little late, but I found this thread lol.

Unfortunately I'm unable to open anymore regional or inter routes until I get base 12, I only have 4 more domestic left.

I guess even as the "enemy" can see :D I should give a few insights into my strategy.

I'm doing temp strategy right now, that will be transformed into my more permanent setup later. Basically Johannesburg and Dubai bases are used for unprofitable routes to uncovered countries for small rep bonuses with no other benefit. I'm running a bunch of those routes from Newark and Narita as well. Then there is 4 basses that are currently in the US that are there only for the route limits. I switch them between regional heavy and domestic heavy countries to maximize the route numbers for each. Eventually when it becomes unrealistic to grow the rep for an additional base I'll actually look to develop them into real basses.

My current strategy hinges on San Fran, Newark, Narita, Sofia and Amsterdam and creating a flow for the international routes. So far it has allowed me to build a few top end inter flights which ware financing my plane purchases where I still need about 60-70 billion only to expand sufficiently the routes I have right now. After that US and Japan are my targets for additional rep points, with South Africa and Dubai used to top off at the end. I'm aiming at 12 basses right now (150 rep points) and will consider if there is a viable path to 13 after that. In the meantime I've tried not to overtake Galactic in US market, but I may need to temporarily at some point for the additional rep points to get to the next base.

Long term my strategy is to develop at least 1 base in each region and sufficient feed routes within the regions for a global network. Using interconnecting international flights between the different basses and connecting the local hubs of others within the regions and with additional inter flights.

In the meantime the 4 basses in the US other then San Fran and Newark can be scrapped if someone wants to use them, just let me know.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on October 07, 2018, 01:01:44 pm
My biggest problem in the US is that I have a base in only 1 major airport - JFK and I am out of slots at airports like LAX, SFO etc. I don't know for how long I can keep milking New York....
I'm focusing a bit on Frankfurt right now.
P.S. We basically own the US so that's nice  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 07, 2018, 01:43:44 pm
My biggest problem in the US is that I have a base in only 1 major airport - JFK and I am out of slots at airports like LAX, SFO etc. I don't know for how long I can keep milking New York....
I'm focusing a bit on Frankfurt right now.
P.S. We basically own the US so that's nice  ;D ;D ;D

JFK can take a lot of traffic, keep adding routes to even smaller at first glance places. In the US you need just one more on the west coast or Dallas or Huston for example, I can free one of them for you. Frankfurt is good I was planing to make it my second major in Europe before you snapped it up lol.

Use this as a trick, make all your additional basses in a country where you get maximum regional vs domestic flights, then fill all those up from Frankfurt... then remove those basses and place them in US to get max domestic vs regional, then fill all domestic in US/Germany... this way you'll have a couple of dozen more routes then what you're limited to by base number. Also you'll be able to take over as #1 in Germany.

I'll expand flights from San Fran, Sofia and Amsterdam to Frankfurt to help. Unfortunately game does not allow a route from Newark to JFK, like it does in Tokyo lol.

At some point when I have the other ranking points secured I'll pass you in US for second spot to get the extra base, but will let you retake after.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on October 07, 2018, 02:53:05 pm
Sure it can, but slots are running out there too  ;D I'm not sure if I should upgrade to level 10 because the monthly costs are nuts. On the west coast I was thinking about Ontario maybe. I think it might steal some pax from the LAX area, but I'm not sure if the game works that way..
Same btw I was preparing to open a base in SFO. I saw it was free and started planning routes. And the next day BAAAM! You took it  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeah it's a nice trick! That's why I opened a base in San Juan. It gave me 12 regional flights  ;D
Feel free to do so! Let me know when and I will stop expanding for a bit!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 07, 2018, 05:56:20 pm
Instead of upgrading to level 10, try to improve your quality a bit, either by nudging up service quality or by increasing the autorenew %.

For bases, the slot formula is basically (50 + 50 per level) * (average flight quality of all routes from that base, passenger-weighted). So anything that improves quality will give you slots, potentially a LOT of slots for a high-level base.

The three ways to increase quality: star rating of the specific route, service funding, and airplane condition.

Star Rating

Always have this at 5 stars. Just do it, I promise you, this is by far the cheapest way to increase quality. At 5 stars you are getting 30 route quality base.

Airplane Condition

This is a little complicated. Airplane condition's contribution to quality runs from 0 (at 0% condition) to 20 (at 100% condition). Your average condition is (100 - autorenew) / 2 %, i.e. 70% at a 40% autorenew. So every 10% you increase autorenew adds 5% to your average condition and adds 1 to your average quality. Note: when I say "average" I mean it, your quality will actually continuously decline and then jump up on any given route when the plane is renewed, and this means slots will appear and vanish over time.

The cost of a 10% increase in autorenew % is based on how much extra "adjusted" depreciation you will pay. The idea of "adjusted" depreciation is that if you are renewing at, say, 40%, then you are taking a 20% * 40% = 8% loss on the purchase price of the plane when you renew. If we re-amortize that 8% over the owned lifetime of the plane (i.e from condition = 100 to condition = 40), then that represents a 13.33% addition to the straight-line depreciation.

If you increase that autorenew to 50%, the addition is 20% of the straight-line deprecation. So the cost of increasing autorenew from 40% to 50% is equal to 6.67% of the straight-line depreciation listed on the income statement.

At 60% autorenew the adjustment is 30% of straight-line depreciation, which means the cost of increasing from 50% to 60% is 10% of the income statement's depreciation line item. i.e. the cost goes up as the autorenew goes higher. (At 100%, obviously, the cost would be infinite as you'd be constantly renewing every plane.)

Increasing airplane condition also provides some rewards in the form of reduced delays, although I won't really go into the formula for evaluating that here.

Service Funding

Every point of global service quality adds 0.5 points of quality to your individual flights. The cost of service funding is based purely on total passenger volume, not adjusted for mileage or anything. The cost is also quadratic. At service funding of $50 per passenger you will have a service quality of 50; at a funding of $200 per passenger you will have a service quality of 100. Note that this means that at a service quality of 100, you should be mentally adjusting your profits on any given route down by $200 per passenger which is almost never worth it unless the only routes you run are big moneymaking international routes. (And at today's margins, probably not even then.)
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 07, 2018, 06:03:39 pm
By the way, if you are tempted to read all of the above and conclude "wow alex put so much work into understanding this game and optimizing things, no wonder ALEX is a top airline" then nah, it's just

Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 07, 2018, 08:22:33 pm
I'm not sure about service quality as much though. Initially I was running it at 50% but noticed that whenever it went up a little further it would boost significantly passengers on all routes. I now keep it exclusively at 100% all the time and as soon as it goes below that I get a dip of about 10 mil profits on my routes.

Now some of that might be just routes that are very thin line calibrated and as soon as the line dips a bit the yo-yo starts and that is causing the loss of profits, but I've found it more profitable that way overall. In addition it pushes loyalty in airports which helps with extra slots as well as whenever there is competition from others.

Right now my service investment is at 126 mil and my cash flow is at 140-150 mil (that is excluding plane depreciation), not sure how that stacks up but I may run a lower service level test later on to see.

And yes Tokyo is probably the best HQ position in the game though I would argue that the better one is Narita, because everyone looks up Haneda first and in the game there is almost no difference between the two.

As for the US, just keep growing, don't worry about me, when the time comes I'll dump the planes in and increase the passengers by 50-60% overnight :D... first things first though, time to take 2nd in Japan and get the first 30 mil route in the game!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on October 07, 2018, 09:03:45 pm
I'm not sure about service quality as much though. Initially I was running it at 50% but noticed that whenever it went up a little further it would boost significantly passengers on all routes. I now keep it exclusively at 100% all the time and as soon as it goes below that I get a dip of about 10 mil profits on my routes.

Now some of that might be just routes that are very thin line calibrated and as soon as the line dips a bit the yo-yo starts and that is causing the loss of profits, but I've found it more profitable that way overall. In addition it pushes loyalty in airports which helps with extra slots as well as whenever there is competition from others.

Right now my service investment is at 126 mil and my cash flow is at 140-150 mil (that is excluding plane depreciation), not sure how that stacks up but I may run a lower service level test later on to see.

And yes Tokyo is probably the best HQ position in the game though I would argue that the better one is Narita, because everyone looks up Haneda first and in the game there is almost no difference between the two.

As for the US, just keep growing, don't worry about me, when the time comes I'll dump the planes in and increase the passengers by 50-60% overnight :D... first things first though, time to take 2nd in Japan and get the first 30 mil route in the game!

That means i need to tweak the code lol
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on October 07, 2018, 10:36:08 pm
Well I hope you won't make it so the cheapest airline gets the passengers like in other similar games. And I hope you're not doing it to hurt his airline and help yours ;D ;D ;D
My service is 90 with plane renewal set at 70%. Maybe I should try to take it to 100?
I was considering upgrading some of the domestic 787 to a bigger plane.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 07, 2018, 11:14:19 pm
Well I hope you won't make it so the cheapest airline gets the passengers like in other similar games. And I hope you're not doing it to hurt his airline and help yours ;D ;D ;D
My service is 90 with plane renewal set at 70%. Maybe I should try to take it to 100?
I was considering upgrading some of the domestic 787 to a bigger plane.

I keep at 60% the planes right now, it leads to some yo-yo effects from time to time on some routes, but it still only increases plane replacement costs by 33% only, while at 70% it would be 40%.

In terms of planes don't feel shy to use jumbos, especially between big airports. Even if you need to lower the prices to fill them up, they deliver a lot more "cattle" to the cash cow routes where the real profits are at anyway. Top 4 routes for me, generate half my profits.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 08, 2018, 12:39:35 am
I'm not sure about service quality as much though. Initially I was running it at 50% but noticed that whenever it went up a little further it would boost significantly passengers on all routes. I now keep it exclusively at 100% all the time and as soon as it goes below that I get a dip of about 10 mil profits on my routes.

Now some of that might be just routes that are very thin line calibrated and as soon as the line dips a bit the yo-yo starts and that is causing the loss of profits, but I've found it more profitable that way overall. In addition it pushes loyalty in airports which helps with extra slots as well as whenever there is competition from others.

Right now my service investment is at 126 mil and my cash flow is at 140-150 mil (that is excluding plane depreciation), not sure how that stacks up but I may run a lower service level test later on to see.

My service investment is at $96 million and I run recurring profits in the $50-$60 million. If you cut service investment you will have to cut prices, but if you're currently losing $200 out of every ticket purchased it'll probably be worth it.

(Profits used to be in the $80s or $90s before a lot more competition came onto the scene.)
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on October 09, 2018, 01:07:17 pm
Okay I need some advice on what to do. Now I make 18-20 mil a month( Before it was 60-70 ;D) And I'm worried its not gonna be enough for the replacement of airplanes overtime. I have the renewal set at 60%. I'm afraid my reserve is gonna melt with the next renewals and might even lead to bankruptcy. I have 4 billions now.  Also I don't know what to do with the service investment. It's at 74 now and I'm paying 120 mil for it.
My hands are tied in New York as my slots are negative 55 because of the low service quality. I was thinking of maybe upgrading some domestic JFK routes to 777 from 787 to reduce the frequency but I don't now if I should spend so much money on planes right now..
So yeah, I'm open for suggestions. ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on October 09, 2018, 01:48:03 pm
I doubt that renewals will cost enough to push your long-run profits into the negatives given those stats FWIW
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 09, 2018, 02:30:13 pm
Okay I need some advice on what to do. Now I make 18-20 mil a month( Before it was 60-70 ;D) And I'm worried its not gonna be enough for the replacement of airplanes overtime. I have the renewal set at 60%. I'm afraid my reserve is gonna melt with the next renewals and might even lead to bankruptcy. I have 4 billions now.  Also I don't know what to do with the service investment. It's at 74 now and I'm paying 120 mil for it.
My hands are tied in New York as my slots are negative 55 because of the low service quality. I was thinking of maybe upgrading some domestic JFK routes to 777 from 787 to reduce the frequency but I don't now if I should spend so much money on planes right now..
So yeah, I'm open for suggestions. ;D

Key question: what is your depreciation line item on the income statement?

Also, by 18-20m a month, do you mean profit or positive cash flow?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on October 09, 2018, 02:45:42 pm
52 mil if I'm looking at the right thing.
It's the profit. It hit 11 mil a few turns ago and for this week is at 16. Cash flow is at 65 mil.
The thing that worries me is that sometimes I would buy 10 a380s at once. So when they drop below 60 it's gonna cost 2B+.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 09, 2018, 03:31:17 pm
52 mil if I'm looking at the right thing.
It's the profit. It hit 11 mil a few turns ago and for this week is at 16. Cash flow is at 65 mil.
The thing that worries me is that sometimes I would buy 10 a380s at once. So when they drop below 60 it's gonna cost 2B+.

OK, then contra Starlight, your airline is actually unprofitable right now and you need to find a way to cut expenses or raise revenues, although you are not in immediate danger.

At an auto-renew of 60%, your true weekly depreciation (amortizing the 20% penalty you take when you renew over the lifetime of your planes) is 130% of the "Airplane Depreciation" line item on the income statement. Which means that your weekly profit is about 15 million short of what's quoted.

I strongly recommend you cut service funding - that will almost certainly give you more $$$ back for sacrificed route quality than cutting the auto-renew % will.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on October 09, 2018, 03:49:12 pm
Thank you much! So I'll probably cut the funding if nothing else works in a day or 2. Btw yesterday i had the auto renewal an 70% so that should give me some time.
But there is a chance my profits are gonna drop even more cause the service quality will plunge again
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 09, 2018, 04:14:59 pm
You will have to decrease a lot of your prices. Each point of route quality is worth about 0.5% of the ticket price.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 09, 2018, 04:21:38 pm
In the absence of precise formulas based on the effects I've seen I would say the optimum service rating now is 50% as the bell curve has been flattened. So lowering prices after that to get back to 100% loads should bring you back to or very close to previous profit levels though will lower the maximum loads routes can carry. Therefore you might see some losses on routes that were either maximized in terms of loads or in terms of prices.

Generally overall passengers will diminish, other then that nothing has changed, except that pretty much main "competitive" factor now is the random yo yo spikes. The dominant position of our alliance will mean that the losses will eventually be concentrated in other airlines.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 09, 2018, 04:29:42 pm
I need to look at the numbers but I'm skeptical that 50% is the optimum, based on the shape of the demand function, but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on October 09, 2018, 04:42:46 pm
I scaled Starlight back to 54 service quality, raised its renewal % to 60, and ditched some planes and it's still chugging along at about the same profitability as before.

It was never as profitable as some of your airlines because it's holding down a lot of territory with saturated bases, but it's doing fine. Seems like there are huge diminishing returns on going much higher than 54 service quality.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 09, 2018, 08:16:40 pm
I would call `making profits` as Phase I of this game. I was trying so hard to keep a 33% (1/3) margin (a.k.a, flights profit)
but as I increased the service funding to reach a service quality of 80, 1/3 margin is too much.

So I came to Phase II -- increase the # of passengers... Alex's insights bring a lot of sense, I will try to see if I can reduce the
SF a little bit.  Also, I set the auto-renewal to 30%, maybe that's a place I can improve.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: bluesky on October 09, 2018, 08:31:28 pm
Sorry to intrude, but could you please explain to me what do you consider profit margin? Do you consider the total income or just the flight revenue - expense?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 09, 2018, 08:49:03 pm
Sorry to intrude, but could you please explain to me what do you consider profit margin? Do you consider the total income or just the flight revenue - expense?

Profit margin is what % of your total revenue is profit. For example if your revenue is 100 and your expenses 90, your profit will be 10 and your profit margin will be 10%.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 09, 2018, 08:51:36 pm
I would call `making profits` as Phase I of this game. I was trying so hard to keep a 33% (1/3) margin (a.k.a, flights profit)
but as I increased the service funding to reach a service quality of 80, 1/3 margin is too much.

So I came to Phase II -- increase the # of passengers... Alex's insights bring a lot of sense, I will try to see if I can reduce the
SF a little bit.  Also, I set the auto-renewal to 30%, maybe that's a place I can improve.

30% is too low, you start to get way too many delays and cancellations, I think the range to keep really is 50-60% now, 70% maybe is a luxury now, but below 50% you start loosing more then you save from cancellations and delays.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 09, 2018, 11:03:41 pm
40% is the absolute minimum for autorenew (more practically, 41% to smooth things out a bit), because after 40% condition delay / cancellation chance jumps significantly.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 10, 2018, 12:40:28 am
My bad. So I meant the flight profit by saying margin. Which is the money you make before service fund and any transactional lose/profit.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 10, 2018, 12:42:09 am
Interesting. I realized that even with brand new plane, I still got delays, shall we avoid using the maximum frequency?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 10, 2018, 08:06:15 am
Interesting. I realized that even with brand new plane, I still got delays, shall we avoid using the maximum frequency?

You should not get delays with a plane at 100% condition. However it's possible that, each tick, airplane condition is degraded one step before route calculations are done.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 10, 2018, 08:52:55 pm
Interesting. I realized that even with brand new plane, I still got delays, shall we avoid using the maximum frequency?

You should not get delays with a plane at 100% condition. However it's possible that, each tick, airplane condition is degraded one step before route calculations are done.

I am running a test on increasing auto-renewal to 60%. How do I know if i'm still profitable? is the renewal fee reflected on the profit report?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 10, 2018, 09:56:12 pm
Interesting. I realized that even with brand new plane, I still got delays, shall we avoid using the maximum frequency?

You should not get delays with a plane at 100% condition. However it's possible that, each tick, airplane condition is degraded one step before route calculations are done.

I am running a test on increasing auto-renewal to 60%. How do I know if i'm still profitable? is the renewal fee reflected on the profit report?

No it is not, but it's not hard to calculate. Multiply the number of planes of each type you have by their price as brand new and divide by 5, then add the result for each type of planes together and divide by 728, this is your average weekly costs for renewals at 60%. Subtract it from your "income sheet" value and you get your net profitability after all expenses.

For example if you had 100 A380 planes, your weekly renewal cost will be:

100x450 mil / 5 = 9 000 mil
9000 / 728 = 12.36 mil weekly

So if your weekly profit from your "income sheet" is 40 mil, then:

40 mil - 12.36 mil = 27.64 mil weekly profit (that is the real one)

However the plane renewal costs are not evenly distributed so there will be times when your weekly profit is higher and others lower or even negative.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 10, 2018, 10:11:03 pm
In other news, my recalibration is almost complete.

I lowered service funding by 50% to 75 mil, which lowered my rating to 58.41, then I have adjusted most prices on most lines and curently passanger numbers are back to almost what they were before:

passengers: 709K
total revenue: 731 mil
cash flow: ~160 mil
profit before plane replacement: ~98 mil
profit after plane replacement:  ~62 mil
profit margin: 8.48%
slots: - 510

So other then the lost slots, all other numbers are back to the same levels and my profit margin actually improved and I've accumulated a small war chest of 6Bil too. I'm however taking in cheaper passengers now, so I'm probably taking more lower end traffic from some of you as a result in North America and Asia.

I could probably lower investment by another 15-20 mil and improve my profit by 10 mil in doing so, but adjusting all the prices is such a drag that I won't bother with it. I think I'm gonna save up some money for now and pick my moment to explosively expand at a later time.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 10, 2018, 10:29:01 pm
Interesting. I realized that even with brand new plane, I still got delays, shall we avoid using the maximum frequency?

You should not get delays with a plane at 100% condition. However it's possible that, each tick, airplane condition is degraded one step before route calculations are done.

I am running a test on increasing auto-renewal to 60%. How do I know if i'm still profitable? is the renewal fee reflected on the profit report?

No it is not, but it's not hard to calculate. Multiply the number of planes of each type you have by their price as brand new and divide by 5, then add the result for each type of planes together and divide by 728, this is your average weekly costs for renewals at 60%. Subtract it from your "income sheet" value and you get your net profitability after all expenses.

There is a simpler formula. Your true depreciation cost, including renewal fees, is:

(list depreciation) * (1 + 0.2 * (autorenew %) / (100% - autorenew %))

Where "list depreciation" is the depreciation quoted on your weekly income statement.

At 60% autorenew this means your "true" deprecation is equal to 1 + 0.2 * 60 / (100 - 60) = 1.3 times the depreciation listed on your income statement.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 10, 2018, 10:43:11 pm
In other news, my recalibration is almost complete.

I lowered service funding by 50% to 75 mil, which lowered my rating to 58.41, then I have adjusted most prices on most lines and curently passanger numbers are back to almost what they were before:

passengers: 709K
total revenue: 731 mil
cash flow: ~160 mil
profit before plane replacement: ~98 mil
profit after plane replacement:  ~62 mil
profit margin: 8.48%
slots: - 510

So other then the lost slots, all other numbers are back to the same levels and my profit margin actually improved and I've accumulated a small war chest of 6Bil too. I'm however taking in cheaper passengers now, so I'm probably taking more lower end traffic from some of you as a result in North America and Asia.

I could probably lower investment by another 15-20 mil and improve my profit by 10 mil in doing so, but adjusting all the prices is such a drag that I won't bother with it. I think I'm gonna save up some money for now and pick my moment to explosively expand at a later time.

Amazing!!
my numbers would be -
passengers: ~270 mil
total revenue: ~170 mil
cash flow: ~54 mil
profit before plane replacement: ~40 mil
profit after plane replacement:  ~32.8 mil
profit margin: 19.3%

based on a 60% auto-renewal. Not sure if it's accurate since I just decreased the service fund largely so my service quality is now decreasing. (might affect the load factors?)
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 10, 2018, 10:46:43 pm
Interesting. I realized that even with brand new plane, I still got delays, shall we avoid using the maximum frequency?

You should not get delays with a plane at 100% condition. However it's possible that, each tick, airplane condition is degraded one step before route calculations are done.

I am running a test on increasing auto-renewal to 60%. How do I know if i'm still profitable? is the renewal fee reflected on the profit report?

No it is not, but it's not hard to calculate. Multiply the number of planes of each type you have by their price as brand new and divide by 5, then add the result for each type of planes together and divide by 728, this is your average weekly costs for renewals at 60%. Subtract it from your "income sheet" value and you get your net profitability after all expenses.

There is a simpler formula. Your true depreciation cost, including renewal fees, is:

(list depreciation) * (1 + 0.2 * (autorenew %) / (100% - autorenew %))

Where "list depreciation" is the depreciation quoted on your weekly income statement.

At 60% autorenew this means your "true" deprecation is equal to 1 + 0.2 * 60 / (100 - 60) = 1.3 times the depreciation listed on your income statement.

hmmm, based on this formula, my autorenew fee would be 18 mil, but based on the (value of brand new) / (5 * 728) formula, the fee goes half to 7.1 mil.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 10, 2018, 10:49:41 pm
yes, you'll start loosing passengers as the service quality goes down and will need to adjust prices after that, but for a few weeks at least you'll have much higher profit margins because of the accumulated service quality from before and low investment now. Once it levels off and you readjust prices you'll get a more accurate picture but the numbers look healthy.

Accumulate some cash for when you start chasing rank points for extra basses, you'll need to run routes that loose money then. I run about 30 of those that are loosing me close to 20 mil weekly, some even with 0 ticket prices lol. However focus and develop well your initial network first, it will help a lot when you start expanding.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 10, 2018, 11:06:26 pm
Alex that formula is not correct you've flipped things.

I tried to brake it down to simple operations as *I've found over time that it is easier to explain that way.

Im any case the cost would be 1.33x depreciation, not 1.3 as the increase is 33.3% not 30%.

The actual formula would be"

1+ [1- (100-autorenwe%)/((100-autorenew%)+20)]
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 10, 2018, 11:11:08 pm
hmmm, based on this formula, my autorenew fee would be 18 mil, but based on the (value of brand new) / (5 * 728) formula, the fee goes half to 7.1 mil.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

What is the depreciation listed on your weekly income statement?

Your "true" depreciation is 1.3 times (listed depreciation).

Your "autorenew fee" (that is, the amount that accounts for the extra loss you take when renewing) is 0.3 times (listed depreciation) - it's the surcharge over listed depreciation.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 10, 2018, 11:15:22 pm
Alex that formula is not correct you've flipped things.

I tried to brake it down to simple operations as *I've found over time that it is easier to explain that way.

Im any case the cost would be 1.33x depreciation, not 1.3 as the increase is 33.3% not 30%.

The actual formula would be"

1+ [1- (100-autorenwe%)/((100-autorenew%)+20)]

This is not correct.

Let's say I have a plane that costs $100 million new with a lifetime of 25 years. Let's say I have autorenew at 60%.

We'll work with annual instead of weekly depreciation to make the numbers a little cleaner.

The game's listed annual depreciation on this plane will be $100 / 25 = $4 million.

After 10 years, it will have a condition of 60%, and we will renew it. In order to renew it, the game essentially sells the plane and buys a new one. It sells for $100m * (60% condition) * (80% sale discount) = $48 million. This means we are taking a loss of $12 million, since on our books we were valuing the plane at $60 million.

If you take that $12 million and amortize it over the 10 year owned lifetime of the plane, that's an extra $1.2 million annual depreciation - i.e. a 30% increase.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 10, 2018, 11:21:08 pm
Also note that your formula doesn't give an answer of 0 at 0% autorenew (which it should) nor does it give an answer of infinity at 100% autorenew (as it should).
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 10, 2018, 11:35:19 pm
Also note that your formula doesn't give an answer of 0 at 0% autorenew (which it should) nor does it give an answer of infinity at 100% autorenew (as it should).

It's late and I obviously need sleep lol. You're correct formula is for something else not that....

Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 10, 2018, 11:48:29 pm
Alex that formula is not correct you've flipped things.

I tried to brake it down to simple operations as *I've found over time that it is easier to explain that way.

Im any case the cost would be 1.33x depreciation, not 1.3 as the increase is 33.3% not 30%.

The actual formula would be"

1+ [1- (100-autorenwe%)/((100-autorenew%)+20)]

This is not correct.

Let's say I have a plane that costs $100 million new with a lifetime of 25 years. Let's say I have autorenew at 60%.

We'll work with annual instead of weekly depreciation to make the numbers a little cleaner.

The game's listed annual depreciation on this plane will be $100 / 25 = $4 million.

After 10 years, it will have a condition of 60%, and we will renew it. In order to renew it, the game essentially sells the plane and buys a new one. It sells for $100m * (60% condition) * (80% sale discount) = $48 million. This means we are taking a loss of $12 million, since on our books we were valuing the plane at $60 million.

If you take that $12 million and amortize it over the 10 year owned lifetime of the plane, that's an extra $1.2 million annual depreciation - i.e. a 30% increase.

I need sleep and my brain is not functioning well enough right now so we can take this up again tomorrow, but something seems wrong in this calculation as you loose 20% of the value when you buy the plane so renewal starts at 20% + any depreciation accumulated. Thus your renewal price-tag starts at 20 mil + whatever was depreciated. Anyway time for me to sleep, see you all tomorrow.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 11, 2018, 12:16:23 am
No problem.

What I think you are missing is that you don't really lose 20% of the value when you buy the plane; rather, when you sell the plane, either directly or implicitly (via renewal), it sells for only 80% of the value as reduced by condition. So if you buy a plane for $100 million and then immediately sell it (maybe you bought it by mistake), you only get $80 million back, and lose $20 million; but if you sell it at 50% condition, you get back $40 million, and lose only $10 million.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 12, 2018, 08:10:35 am
BulAir, please stop dumping like 15000 capacity on domestic routes where I am already serving like 5-6000, or at least warn me first :P you are creating massive price wars.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 12, 2018, 06:37:34 pm
BulAir, please stop dumping like 15000 capacity on domestic routes where I am already serving like 5-6000, or at least warn me first :P you are creating massive price wars.

Oh my, 15k capacity?!, I thought I know how to play this game! (my highest capacity would probably be 3k)
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 12, 2018, 11:20:49 pm
BulAir, please stop dumping like 15000 capacity on domestic routes where I am already serving like 5-6000, or at least warn me first :P you are creating massive price wars.

Sorry about that, I was pushing for 2nd spot in Australia for next base and thought instead of doing it incrementally which would be more annoying and time consuming to jump in the deep end from the start. I won't create anymore headaches for you there promise.

By the way I figured out I think where the confusion with the plane depreciation and renewal formulas was coming from. It seems the depreciation is being calculated from "initial price value" and not "after purchase discount value" so in essence part of the 20% initial discount of value of planes gets accounted for every week as it is included in the depreciation.

I was assuming the depreciation was on the actual value of the plane and not on it's initial price.

Oh yah and Tans, I connected Melbourne to your HQ to feed you some traffic hope it helps.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 19, 2018, 08:54:23 pm
hey guys,

does it really make sense to adopt those Jumbo planes? In general, I think international flights are not limited by the slots
since frequency is low, but I wonder if it makes sense to use larger plane due to the savings of take-off and landings.

Currently my largest planes are A350-900
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on October 19, 2018, 10:10:19 pm
hey guys,

does it really make sense to adopt those Jumbo planes? In general, I think international flights are not limited by the slots
since frequency is low, but I wonder if it makes sense to use larger plane due to the savings of take-off and landings.

Currently my largest planes are A350-900

Depends on your goal. Generally you want them on routes between top end airports in countries with high income to generate good profit. However if you're chasing passengers for rankings you can use them on other lines too even at a loss, Overall though if you have the slots and are not chasing rankings use more economical planes on domestic and short and middle regional routes unless it's between top airports.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on October 19, 2018, 11:04:39 pm
If you're not slot-limited then go ahead and use small planes.

Trust me, you'll know when you're slot-limited.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 20, 2018, 12:07:38 pm
hey guys,

does it really make sense to adopt those Jumbo planes? In general, I think international flights are not limited by the slots
since frequency is low, but I wonder if it makes sense to use larger plane due to the savings of take-off and landings.

Currently my largest planes are A350-900

Depends on your goal. Generally you want them on routes between top end airports in countries with high income to generate good profit. However if you're chasing passengers for rankings you can use them on other lines too even at a loss, Overall though if you have the slots and are not chasing rankings use more economical planes on domestic and short and middle regional routes unless it's between top airports.


thanks guys, lots of my domestic routes are slot-limited. I use 787 on those routes, but I will try to use A350 on some of them to see if it's profitable.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 20, 2018, 01:23:22 pm
The A350 is a trap. It looks good based on its fuel efficiency, but its capital inefficiency eats up almost all of the savings. It is only optimal on a fairly narrow range of routes.

Stick with Dreamliners, 767-ERs, 747-400s, and A380s IMO.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 23, 2018, 12:30:52 am
The A350 is a trap. It looks good based on its fuel efficiency, but its capital inefficiency eats up almost all of the savings. It is only optimal on a fairly narrow range of routes.

Stick with Dreamliners, 767-ERs, 747-400s, and A380s IMO.

Gosh, I got tons of A350, they look fancy though.. I mean the fuel savings..
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on October 23, 2018, 04:14:13 pm
On a 14000 km route they can be real nice.

Shorter? Forget about it.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 23, 2018, 11:05:25 pm
Actually capital inefficiency vs fuel efficiency never becomes a relatively better or worse tradeoff with increasing flight distance, because both fuel and capital intensity (as in, you need more planes to run the same number of flights) increase with distance.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on October 24, 2018, 12:31:54 am
Actually capital inefficiency vs fuel efficiency never becomes a relatively better or worse tradeoff with increasing flight distance, because both fuel and capital intensity (as in, you need more planes to run the same number of flights) increase with distance.

how about short distance but high volume choices? 747?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on October 24, 2018, 08:55:57 am
Short distance / high value I use the 737-700C, 767-300ER, or (very rarely, on maybe 3 routes) the Ilyushin 96-400.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on November 09, 2018, 04:25:13 pm
Just noticed that BulAir is gone!!

 :( :(

Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on November 09, 2018, 06:24:19 pm
Just noticed that BulAir is gone!!

 :( :(

Good! I need breathing room!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: bluesky on November 09, 2018, 09:43:13 pm
What do you mean by that? It seems he just restarted, but then how does he have a lvl 9 HQ?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on November 09, 2018, 10:18:08 pm
Just noticed that BulAir is gone!!

 :( :(

Good! I need breathing room!

Haha, I wanna take over some of the hubs!! But I forgot which one BulAir was working on.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on November 09, 2018, 10:18:40 pm
What do you mean by that? It seems he just restarted, but then how does he have a lvl 9 HQ?

I think he/she declared bankruptcy.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on November 10, 2018, 03:01:06 pm
BulAir just wanted to rebuild, I think, they are still active.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on November 10, 2018, 03:26:00 pm
BulAir just wanted to rebuild, I think, they are still active.

A little bird told me BulAir's bank account was actually under the water  ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on November 10, 2018, 03:38:38 pm
He had a lot of a380s. Combined with rapid expansion = bankruptcy. Believe me, I know  ;D ;D . I went to bed one day with 10bn and when I woke up the next day and I had only 130mil. It was close for me, so now i'm more cautious ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on November 10, 2018, 05:40:15 pm
BulAir just wanted to rebuild, I think, they are still active.

A little bird told me BulAir's bank account was actually under the water  ;D


Fake news


The truth of the matter is BulAir was the most profitable airline for a while, I just stopped growing it after quality service changes of 2 months ago and was just accumulating cash waiting for the lounge changes with the idea that at that time I'll rework the whole system.

I saved over 60 Bil in a bout a month without even adjusting prices much (once a week maybe on a few top routes).

After the lounges fiasco, I decided it was not worth my time to redo anything and so I liquidated everything. Took me days as you can only sell 1 plane a time and 600 of them take a long time.

Right now I have 124 Bil in my account and can become top 3 in a couple of weeks again, but I see no reason for it.

As far as Paxton is concerned, instead of gloating about my exaggerated "demise" maybe he should work on a means by which lounges can be downgraded or removed, because as it stands right now, basses cannot be downgraded as well once a lounge has been built and becomes inactive later.

Feel free to kick me from the alliance I don't see me giving this another go for a long time, maybe ever, though that was my initial idea, taking a couple of months off waiting to see what other changes will appear.

*PS My basses were San Fran, Newark, Narita, Amsterdam, Dubai, Melbourne and Johannesburg.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on November 10, 2018, 08:15:08 pm
Both bases and Lounges can be downgraded or removed I think?  ::)
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Stoich on November 10, 2018, 10:30:48 pm
Both bases and Lounges can be downgraded or removed I think?  ::)

Not inactive lounges.... check Bul Air Sofia HQ and lounge. There is no buttons to downgrade or remove the lounge, and because of it no ability to downgrade the HQ. I don't know if the problem is the same for basses, there I closed down the basses and there was no problem, but there is no option to close down the HQ.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on November 16, 2018, 01:41:08 pm
Hey Alex, do you plan on keeping Bulair in the alliance? I made a second account/airline with a hub in Nigeria. Wanna see if its gonna work out for some more rep points in Africa.  ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on November 16, 2018, 02:05:50 pm
Hey Alex, do you plan on keeping Bulair in the alliance? I made a second account/airline with a hub in Nigeria. Wanna see if its gonna work out for some more rep points in Africa.  ;D

We do have one more slot right? I think we just have 9 at this moment.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on November 16, 2018, 02:25:22 pm
Hey Alex, do you plan on keeping Bulair in the alliance? I made a second account/airline with a hub in Nigeria. Wanna see if its gonna work out for some more rep points in Africa.  ;D

We do have one more slot right? I think we just have 9 at this moment.
No, its full.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on November 16, 2018, 07:58:24 pm
Hey Alex, do you plan on keeping Bulair in the alliance? I made a second account/airline with a hub in Nigeria. Wanna see if its gonna work out for some more rep points in Africa.  ;D

We do have one more slot right? I think we just have 9 at this moment.
No, its full.

maybe we just remove the inactive airlines? maybe the last one, I think they are not active.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on November 18, 2018, 12:12:13 am
When I log in tomorrow I'll look for an inactive to prune.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on November 18, 2018, 09:39:18 am
OK, Bulair went fully inactive - earlier it still had a bunch of routes. So I pruned it and there's now a slot.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on December 06, 2018, 09:50:07 pm
Hey Alex, I have a baby airline applied to join our alliance, would you mind to approve it?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on December 11, 2018, 12:04:28 pm
Shoot, I'm sorry, I've been kind of inactive lately. I approved it.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on December 12, 2018, 01:04:58 am
Shoot, I'm sorry, I've been kind of inactive lately. I approved it.

Haha, I can tell. Also, can we remove some inactive members like SudAmericana? So I get a chance to explore new markets like Italy.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on December 13, 2018, 04:22:25 pm
Nordic too! He's not active.
Also Atlas are getting close! We gotta do something ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on December 14, 2018, 01:58:51 am
Nordic too! He's not active.
Also Atlas are getting close! We gotta do something ;D ;D ;D

Yaaaaas! We should do something. SAVE TrippleA!

https://media.giphy.com/media/Nvupk0dHsjBXq/giphy.gif
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on December 14, 2018, 01:56:19 pm
I'll take a look at Sudamerica but unless his airline has actually stopped running flights I hesitate to remove him - especially since he was pretty much a founding member.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on December 15, 2018, 01:10:29 am
I'll take a look at Sudamerica but unless his airline has actually stopped running flights I hesitate to remove him - especially since he was pretty much a founding member.

His routes are there but with no passengers. Well I guess we can keep him for now but definitely remove some other inactive members so we have space for new one.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on January 09, 2019, 08:59:49 pm
Hey I'm sorry guys I cleared out space, I should've done that weeks ago.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on January 09, 2019, 09:08:40 pm
Hey I'm sorry guys I cleared out space, I should've done that weeks ago.

Thanks ALEX!

I'm proposing(coding) a president feature for the alliance so airlines can co-manage,
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on January 09, 2019, 09:11:30 pm
Also I should recover at least modestly in the rankings, I had a ton of routes that were at like 30% capacity and have been nearly flat on profit for a while...
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on January 09, 2019, 10:07:05 pm
Also I should recover at least modestly in the rankings, I had a ton of routes that were at like 30% capacity and have been nearly flat on profit for a while...

Yay! TripleAvenger!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on January 10, 2019, 12:00:15 am
I would say keep ur low LF! I think your pax are enjoying the extra space! :)

They can even sleep flat in economy class woooooo!

Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on January 10, 2019, 11:30:11 am
Is New Zealand international on by any chance? Someone wishes to join our alliance (top 20 airlines) but has a conflicting base in Bangkok of New Zealand International. Is it possible to move that base? :)

Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on January 10, 2019, 11:32:40 am
Is New Zealand international on by any chance? Someone wishes to join our alliance (top 20 airlines) but has a conflicting base in Bangkok of New Zealand International. Is it possible to move that base? :)

No, it's not. And whoever wants to join a top alliance, TripleA is always welcoming.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on January 10, 2019, 04:52:10 pm
Is New Zealand international on by any chance? Someone wishes to join our alliance (top 20 airlines) but has a conflicting base in Bangkok of New Zealand International. Is it possible to move that base? :)

No, it's not. And whoever wants to join a top alliance, TripleA is always welcoming.

Crap..posted on the wrong thread....
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on January 12, 2019, 03:00:48 pm
Already back to number 1!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on January 31, 2019, 01:12:50 pm
Hey guys I have bad news.

I am just kind of... tired of the managing-giant-airline game.

Competitive pressure is pushing at me too, and even with the pile of cash it's hard to find a good holding pattern.

I am going to sell everything Sunday, more or less like the bankruptcy button (but at least I will keep a pile of cash). I hope three days' warning will be enough to prepare somewhat. I know this will tank the alliance rankings.

If there's a way to transfer the presidency of the alliance I will happily do it (to trans nations, probably).

I'll come back when there is a world reset.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: Morb on January 31, 2019, 04:35:59 pm
Thats sad news :(

Fighting for first alliance was atleast some motivation to keep going.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: t1853 on February 01, 2019, 09:57:50 pm
Hey guys I have bad news.

I am just kind of... tired of the managing-giant-airline game.

Competitive pressure is pushing at me too, and even with the pile of cash it's hard to find a good holding pattern.

I am going to sell everything Sunday, more or less like the bankruptcy button (but at least I will keep a pile of cash). I hope three days' warning will be enough to prepare somewhat. I know this will tank the alliance rankings.

If there's a way to transfer the presidency of the alliance I will happily do it (to trans nations, probably).

I'll come back when there is a world reset.


It's been a good game. See you in the next world buddy.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on February 03, 2019, 03:53:12 pm
ALEX is not alone. I checked the profit of the top 10 airlines, half of them are struggling financially (including Air Canada) lol

I won't reset Air Canada but i constantly restructure the airlines, it's actually fun to scale back and redo some of the networks. Air Canada had gone through that twice already hehehe

Sad to see you go ALEX! You should just rebuild ur airline with ur deep pocket imho :P

Although Space and Beyond will likely be an interesting addition, it's a bit of a lofty goal (and alot of coding)

I have been thinking that it would be interesting to "grow" the airport/city but in a very strategic way (so airline with a lot of capital will not get much advantage). Just need to think about something that is fun and easy to implement w/o putting too much stress to the existing system...hmmmm



Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: alex on February 04, 2019, 12:57:54 am
Code: [Select]
const foo = async function(models) {
    for (const model of models) {
        for (const airplane of model.availableAirplanes) try {
            await $.ajax(`airlines/594/airplanes/${airplane.id}`, { method: 'DELETE' });
        } catch (e) {}
    }
};

How I sold all my planes.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: AlpineUngulate on February 04, 2019, 01:10:05 am
I just fix my routes every once in a while in order to return to profitability. But I may eventually retire as well. It's a good game, it's just one where I've gotten most of the fun out of the content at this point. I'd strongly recommend it to someone who hasn't tried it before.
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on February 11, 2019, 12:40:10 am
I would love to see more modules, features to be added so that we are not just dropping our prices.

But it's a nice journey to team with you ALEX! Definitely come back and check if there is anything new!

Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on June 05, 2019, 06:59:48 am
Hey Alex, would you mind transferring the alliance leadership to someone else?
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on June 07, 2019, 02:56:13 pm
Hey Alex, would you mind transferring the alliance leadership to someone else?

The alliance is dying. It's hard to rebuild your airlines if you want to keep in the alliance. Vote for change!!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on June 12, 2019, 12:25:20 pm
Ok.... TrippleA now has 1 vacant spot(actually 2 as Zowlyfon Air is no longer active).
Preferably looking for kinda established airlines with a bit of rep points. :) :)
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on June 12, 2019, 01:28:01 pm
Ok.... TrippleA now has 1 vacant spot(actually 2 as Zowlyfon Air is no longer active).
Preferably looking for kinda established airlines with a bit of rep points. :) :)

75 reps here
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on July 04, 2019, 01:20:10 am
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on July 08, 2019, 11:53:51 am
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D

We should have a slack channel or something!
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on July 09, 2019, 12:13:02 am
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D

We should have a slack channel or something!

OOO can i join the channel too? I promise I wouldn't spy :D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: vani56 on July 09, 2019, 06:34:48 am
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D

We should have a slack channel or something!

OOO can i join the channel too? I promise I wouldn't spy :D

The end of Unisky is near ;D
TrippleA is dead you said.... I hope you're a fan of The Walking Dead...lovely show. The dead can bite. More surprises incoming...
Brace yourself....
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on July 09, 2019, 11:49:44 am
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D

We should have a slack channel or something!

OOO can i join the channel too? I promise I wouldn't spy :D

The end of Unisky is near ;D
TrippleA is dead you said.... I hope you're a fan of The Walking Dead...lovely show. The dead can bite. More surprises incoming...
Brace yourself....
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

TripleA was reborn!! The new era is coming, say goodbye to UniSky
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on July 09, 2019, 07:02:26 pm
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D

We should have a slack channel or something!

OOO can i join the channel too? I promise I wouldn't spy :D

The end of Unisky is near ;D
TrippleA is dead you said.... I hope you're a fan of The Walking Dead...lovely show. The dead can bite. More surprises incoming...
Brace yourself....
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

TripleA was reborn!! The new era is coming, say goodbye to UniSky

Goodbye TripleA!!!  ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: trans nations on July 11, 2019, 01:37:06 pm
TN, Weyland, DopperAir.... Where are you guys :D

We should have a slack channel or something!

Goodbye to the no.1 alliance?

OOO can i join the channel too? I promise I wouldn't spy :D

The end of Unisky is near ;D
TrippleA is dead you said.... I hope you're a fan of The Walking Dead...lovely show. The dead can bite. More surprises incoming...
Brace yourself....
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

TripleA was reborn!! The new era is coming, say goodbye to UniSky

Goodbye TripleA!!!  ;D
Title: Re: TripleA alliance thread
Post by: patson on July 12, 2019, 12:25:07 pm
Crap...u guys retook the #1 spot....but not for long!